Tuesday, December 20, 2005

The Left is loosing it again with the NSA story

****Update****

Check out the NSA Surveillance: Blog Post Roundup over at Concurring Opinions. It is terrific.

Be sure to read this post by University of Chicago Law School Professor Cass Sunstein:

The authorization for the use of military force (AUMF) says, "the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons."


****Update**** I found some more over at Atrios. Comon you guys aren't trying.




Nazi Bush: I am the power! I will protect! I will decide! I will allow! Thou shalt have no gods before me! Thou shalt not have the Constitution as a graven image!

Hey, hey
I saved the world today
Everything's okay
Now the bad thing's gone away.


But it hasn't. It still lurks at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Is it because we're sick in the head?
BlakNo1


Perhaps it's because we wish Bush were dead...

I'm still shaking with anger over the illegal domestic spying.

The Bushes are criminals. May there never be another Bush in public office for as long as the universe exists.

Nanci and Barbra are comm'in with impeachment for ya bushie....PANIC!

Will historians be talking about the chimp period as "the end of the Republic" as in the case of Rome?

Perhaps it's because we wish Bush were dead...
Vicki


WORD!




Don't just read this post read the comments section at Unclaimed Territory.

Here is a Sample:

I asked this question:


The Ugly American said...

btw you guys do understand how this works right?

Our special opps guys capture a terrorist in Afghanistan or Iraq. Joe citizen here in the U.S. Shows up on that terrorists incoming or outgoing calls. That guy is then monitored.

Not the government deciding to tap your phone for attending a protest march.

Do we agree this is what we are talking about?



and got these answers:

Dont_Feed_The_Meter said:

No, this is about another - egregious - example of the rampant abuse of authority and power and a willingness to deny and defile the very substance of the laws that the American Revolutionaries fought for, with a deceitful and pernicious intent.

Jake - but not the one said...

TUA, there are so many things to fear. Why pick terrorism? Why not tackle the issue rationally, with money and appropriate threats, and yes, even appropriate action. Not including invading Iraq - what was not a terrorist threat at all, then or now.

Glenn Greenwald said...

How do you know this? The only way to know is to have judicial oversight to make sure there is no abuse. That's why it's so crucial to only allow surveillance only with a warrant.



you get the idea.

And the Washington Monthly Whackos are off the chart:


Yes, constant war helps greatly in controlling the proles. We have always been at war with Eurasia.

Posted by: George Orwell on December 20, 2005 at 8:47 PM


Good point, Kevin. I'd add that this administration has consistently demonstrated an unserious attitude toward terrorism. From neglecting the 'Bin Laden determined to strike inside U.S.' memo to underfunding homeland security to bungling the aftermath of the Afghanistan invasion, Bush has shown that he only cares about terrorism inasmuch as it provides an excuse for doing things he wanted to do anyway --- cut taxes, invade Iraq, and as we are learning now, strip away American's civil liberties.

Posted by: ChristianPinko on December 20, 2005 at 8:48 PM

I'm not obligated to follow the law. Therefore, anything I do is legal.

Posted by: Shorter Bush on December 20, 2005 at 8:48 PM

Of course, given the one-party autocracy of the present incarnation of Republicans, and their lust for executive power, I doubt if we'll be seeing any small or big "d" Democratic presidents any time soon.

Posted by: R. Porrofatto on December 20, 2005 at 8:57 PM

I think saying his intentions were good is giving this guy way, way too much credit. This is the callous man who fiddled while New Orleans drowned. Do you honestly believe that he was wiretapping people because he loves his fellow citizens so much he's horrified to imagine they might become victims of terrorism?

There's not doubt that he is droning on and on about how he's doing this to protect us. But come on. Like all megalomaniacs this guy doesn't give a crap about anyone but himself.

Posted by: DanM on December 20, 2005 at 9:03 PM



Now this is funny or scary depending on how you look at it. Bob here actually suspects he just might be insane yet can not compel himself to take his meds.



The scariest thing about this is that Bush and the GOP have *every incentive in the world* to let another terrorist attack happen, so we can all stop our quibbly little doubts as to whether or not we're still "at war."

Seriously. Think about it. Think about the recent F grade from the 9/11 Commission two months ago.

I don't mean to get all moonbatty; I don't know whether I'm quite cynical (enough) yet to believe that Bush, for all his demonstrated cluelessness and/or mendacity, actually goes to bed at night dreaming of another great, unifying gift from Osama -- another "new Pearl Harbor" to "awaken our moral purpose" as it said in the Clinton-era PNAC docs.

What I *do* know is that his polls would spike and his arguments would prevail with most of the public.

What a nasty thought, huh.

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on December 20, 2005 at 9:08 PM


Too late Bob you just did get "all moonbatty".

On another note why do people feel compelled to offer up detailed theories on the internet explaining what they think the NSA is doing ?

Are they trying to prove how smart they are to their anonymous fans?

Do they even care that they may just be right and that our enemies just might learn something they didn't know before?

I just don't understand posts like this one from Asymmetrical Information.

Also, using this approach makes it very difficult to obtain individual warrants, because the rate of number turnover would be high, and the number of simultaneous taps large. Not to mention that the vast majority of lines tapped would have nothing to do with terrorism, although it’s sounding like the FISA court may be pretty mellow on that score. It also sort of explains what the risk is in revealing this program, since now suspects would know that any international call they made, even if it was from a brand new phone to a “clean” number in a safe country, would be tapped.


If you have come across any moonbats commenting on this story please share and I will put em up on the main page.




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